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Sir John De Montagu

Person Chart

Parents

Father Date of Birth Mother Date of Birth
William De Montagu 1st Earl Of Salisbury, 3rd Baron Montacute, King of Mann 1302 Catherine De Grandison 1302

Partners

Partner Date of Birth Children
Lady Margaret Monthermer 10/14/1329 Margaret De Montagu
Sibyl De Montagu Prioress at Amesbury
John Montacute 3rd Earl of Salisbury and 4th Baron Monthermer
Thomas De Montagu Dean of Salisbury
Prioress at Bungay Katherine De Montagu
Simon De Montagu
Eleanor "Ellen" De Montagu
Sir Richard De Montagu

Person Events

Event Type Date Place Description
Birth 1331 London, Middlesex, England
Death 2/25/1390 Salesburg, Berkshire, England

Notes
Dear Newsgroup ~
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2011-12/1322775073

This is the second of two posts regarding the date of the marriage of
Sir John de Montagu, Lord Montagu (died 1390), and Margaret de
Monthermer, DR

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As shown in the first post of today's date, the king contacted Bishop
John de Grandison on 13 Oct. 1340, and asked him to explain why he had
failed to deliver the body of young Margaret de Monthermer to Robert
de Ferrers. The king ordered the Bishop to deliver Margaret de
Monthermer as requested and that the bishop appear before the King's
council at Westminster on 18 Nov. 1340 to explain his actions.

The bishop made a response to this enquiry and stated that the
marriage of young Margaret de Monthermer had been granted to William
de Montagu and that he had since delivered Margaret into the custody
of the earl's attorney. He further stated that he understood that the
same Margaret was already joined in marriage to John de Montagu, son
of the aforesaid earl.

While there is no date on the bishop's response, it presumably took
place before 18 November 1340, when the bishop was ordered to appear
in the king's court. But, it was certainly before 1 February 1340/1,
on which date the king made the following grant:

"Indemnity to John, bishop of Exeter, with respect of his taking of
Margaret, daughter and heir of Thomas de Monte Hermerii, tenant in
chief, detaining her for some time and then delivering her to William
de Monte Acuto, earl of Salisbury, with the king's will and the assent
of Robert de Ferrariis, to whom her marriage had been granted by the
king." END OF QUOTE. Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1340–1343
(1900): 126, which may viewed at the following weblink:

http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/e3v5/body/Edward3vol5page0126.pdf

Since the grant of indemnity to the Bishop obviously followed his
response to the king, we can safely conclude that John de Montagu and
Margaret de Monthermer were married before 1 February 1340/1, when
Margaret was at the ripe age of 11 years old.

In closing, I wish to extend special thanks to Matt Tompkins for
providing the English translation of the document taken from Bishop
Grandison's Register.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah